tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post2335589167936689140..comments2023-08-15T06:05:11.726-05:00Comments on John Calvin: Calvinism My Way: Are All Marriages Equally Bound?John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-48383315176877412332010-10-19T17:55:40.097-05:002010-10-19T17:55:40.097-05:00Maybe I'll just venture some oughts here. You ...Maybe I'll just venture some oughts here. You have to approve them first so use your judgment.<br /><br />First, you asked for debate - "disagree with me".<br />Second, you disclaimed this as necessarily being your own viewpoint, but a topic for debate. So I'm not trying to personalize all criticisms to you.<br /><br />That said, why I am so difficult is because I feel it would Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-18220061081790093822010-10-19T17:24:08.406-05:002010-10-19T17:24:08.406-05:00Absolutely. Anytime.Absolutely. Anytime.John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-28706305605196399472010-10-19T17:21:30.319-05:002010-10-19T17:21:30.319-05:00Then I expect growth.
More in private.Then I expect growth. <br />More in private.Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-74158173086959466312010-10-19T11:58:21.781-05:002010-10-19T11:58:21.781-05:00Uncle Charles I am hearing you. I am considering ...Uncle Charles I am hearing you. I am considering what you are saying.John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-91956678040009946042010-10-10T21:37:07.392-05:002010-10-10T21:37:07.392-05:00Have a great time.Have a great time.Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-39934285828794473612010-10-10T21:15:37.815-05:002010-10-10T21:15:37.815-05:00Thank you for accepting my apology and coming back...Thank you for accepting my apology and coming back to the conversation. <br /><br />I will comment more later. I have to get up at 3 a.m. to go to the airport and fly to Kingston, Jamaica.John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-61028395083091414202010-10-10T20:58:20.338-05:002010-10-10T20:58:20.338-05:00Hey, I love you, Son. I am not quite that easy to ...Hey, I love you, Son. I am not quite that easy to run off. Some of what I say can be scary, or at least a little unsettling. <br />I don't have an agenda, so reconsider what I'm saying and ask me to clarify what is unclear.<br />I'll try to be more understandable.Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-2090522348526960882010-10-10T20:32:32.822-05:002010-10-10T20:32:32.822-05:00Apparently you've missed my point(s) completel...Apparently you've missed my point(s) completely.<br />Additionally, you requested that we disagree with you. I did. However, I chose to disagree on the basis of what I see as inconclusive scholarship rather than your thesis.<br />I will not enter into debate over the matter. It isn't my style, as I generally find it fruitless. Instead I hoped to feed you enough information to cause you toCharles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-21496833640288495562010-10-10T19:22:09.821-05:002010-10-10T19:22:09.821-05:00Uncle Charles: I am thinking that I am must have m...Uncle Charles: I am thinking that I am must have misunderstood what you meant by your statement that I quoted in my last post. Please explain if I did.<br /><br />Also, please allow me to apologize for my abruptness and rudeness. I did not at the moment mean to sound that way, but the Lord convicted my and I want to apologize to you.John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-87109941695129381032010-10-10T08:05:01.319-05:002010-10-10T08:05:01.319-05:00@Uncle Charles: You said, "Paul even uses ter...@Uncle Charles: You said, "Paul even uses terms like "sanctified" completely out of context to the New Covenant."<br /><br />Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying here, but if I am even close then I am wasting my time. If you think Paul is using words out of context you are also severely missing something here. Whatever the answer is, it certain is NOT Paul's John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-84496392486923594782010-10-10T01:56:49.253-05:002010-10-10T01:56:49.253-05:00Q1. Why does the union between a believer and an u...Q1. Why does the union between a believer and an unbeliever need to be sanctified by the believer since their marriage is equal in every way to those involving two believers?<br />This is Paul responding to challenges from the Corinthian Church community regarding the validity of these marriages. No one was challenging the state of the believers marriages. Paul is reacting to issues sent to him Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-87723032059773653712010-10-09T23:24:45.081-05:002010-10-09T23:24:45.081-05:00Uncle Charles you do me a great honor by engaging ...Uncle Charles you do me a great honor by engaging me on my blog. <br /><br />BTW is there anything that I have blogged about that you agree with? :)John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-76904446909263994412010-10-09T23:18:51.841-05:002010-10-09T23:18:51.841-05:00sorry for the errors in the previous post. I am l...sorry for the errors in the previous post. I am laying on my back typing and I am very tired. I hope you can understand what I was trying to type. :)John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-71753518908854735172010-10-09T23:17:21.392-05:002010-10-09T23:17:21.392-05:00@Uncle Charles: You said, "If this is true, t...@Uncle Charles: You said, "If this is true, then Jesus has NO BUSINESS citing this in the era of the LAW, in which he was manifested. It is not about Adam and Eve alone. God made ALL mankind, and marriage for All mankind."<br /><br />While Jesus quoted this during the time of Law, he was correcting the Law and was giving future Kingdom teaching for the Church era.<br /><br />Jesus said,John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-46748593920224307292010-10-09T22:53:36.101-05:002010-10-09T22:53:36.101-05:00I quote you here as a word of caution:
"Prove...I quote you here as a word of caution:<br />"Prove that "man" in Matthew means "mankind." When He says, "from the Beginning it was not so," He brings us back to ADAM AND EVE who were in Covenant relationship with God."<br /><br />If this is true, then Jesus has NO BUSINESS citing this in the era of the LAW, in which he was manifested. It is not about Adam Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-85662911593382075412010-10-09T22:43:48.251-05:002010-10-09T22:43:48.251-05:00Go back to context, Buddy. You are making a huge m...Go back to context, Buddy. You are making a huge miss-step in your analysis by assuming the Scriptures stand apart from the historical context of times and cultures. Little Sister, you are much closer to the correct concept of the differences in the context than what you are given credit for. <br />The people in the Book Of Ezra were NOT acting as people of faith, but as those under the law and Charles Cirilohttp://cacirilo.multiply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-84764721894482815742010-10-09T17:26:18.282-05:002010-10-09T17:26:18.282-05:00Just so that the readers are clear on what the poi...Just so that the readers are clear on what the point of this blog post is: The post is not titled, "Are All Marriages Bound?" The post is titled, "Are All Marriages EQUALLY Bound?"John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-20079976829444920952010-10-09T16:27:14.706-05:002010-10-09T16:27:14.706-05:00@Anonymous: You said, "The issue in Ezra is o...@Anonymous: You said, "The issue in Ezra is one of ceremonial laws and they did not leave their wives before they came to the church but after they came and felt conviction. That does not follow with what Paul said in the new testament, we do not demand that one leaves their spouse after they come to God and their spouse doesn't."<br /><br />Actually, this is the point that Paul wasJohn Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-91060708427658534252010-10-09T15:55:09.264-05:002010-10-09T15:55:09.264-05:00I see that Paul made allowances for those that wer...I see that Paul made allowances for those that were just coming into the church in 1 Cor 7. In dealing with situations concerning marriage he parralleled them with other circumstances and told them to remain as they were when they came to God. That means if you are divorced then you should remain divorced, or if you are in your second or third marriage then you stay in that marriage. <br /><brAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-24578551993695366772010-10-09T15:39:23.810-05:002010-10-09T15:39:23.810-05:00The issue is not that God does not "recognize...The issue is not that God does not "recognize" all marriage. The issue is are all marriage equally "sanctified" by God?John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-46466925388460626872010-10-09T15:36:14.700-05:002010-10-09T15:36:14.700-05:00A few questions for uncle Charles (whom I respect ...A few questions for uncle Charles (whom I respect his intelligence and person), as well as any others who may get involved:<br /><br />Q1. Why does the union between a believer and an unbeliever need to be sanctified by the believer since their marriage is equal in every way to those involving two believers?<br /><br />Q2. Why was Israel to put away "strange/pagan wives" solely on the John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-50345187040766881072010-10-09T15:22:11.365-05:002010-10-09T15:22:11.365-05:00Prove that "man" in Matthew means "...Prove that "man" in Matthew means "mankind." When He says, "from the Beginning it was not so," He brings us back to Adam and Eve who were in Covenant relationship with God. <br /><br />The very people Jesus was having conversation in Matthew 19 were the One God people. <br /><br />There is an aspect of marriage that is lacking apart from the faith component or John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-39148894914214759772010-10-09T15:16:03.536-05:002010-10-09T15:16:03.536-05:00God certainly recognizes that there was a covenant...God certainly recognizes that there was a covenant made, just as he does any non marital covenant made by sinners, but God repeatedly treats marriages outside of a faith covenant differently than He does those made inside a faith covenant.<br /><br />I will be happy to re-emphasis particular instances for you. You have to provide a framework in which to explain that and not just call it "John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-18600698772117606812010-10-09T15:14:27.433-05:002010-10-09T15:14:27.433-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2132076222463955632.post-71964567484987655432010-10-09T15:06:38.684-05:002010-10-09T15:06:38.684-05:00@ Charles: You said, "All marriages are marri...@ Charles: You said, "All marriages are marriages. To the woman at the well Jesus says "you've been MARRIED five times, and the man you have now is not your husband" This woman is neither a Jew nor a Christian. "How is it you(Jesus) being a Jew ask me a Samaritan . . .?" and Jesus distinguished between her marriages and her either shack-up or affair."<br /><br />John Calvin: Calvinism My Wayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08890856408101885702noreply@blogger.com